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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Cornmastah on Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:08 pm

    Have you had a chance to hit steel with it? I think you would be surprised how much harder it hits than a .223. I typically load a hornady 150 gr with around 15-15.5gr of lil gun which is a little on the warm side. When you hit the steel plates, you can definitely tell it is NOT a .223 or 5.56 round.
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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Devereaux on Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:25 pm

    Not a lot of steel opportunity out this way. But I can certainly say that the recoil is more than the 5.56, which is rather minimal. Although I can't clearly remember back far enough to recollect shooting the AK, I suspect this is more in that league. It is, after all, a .308. And a 155gr one at that. Remember that the Garand shoots the same projectile, only a good bit faster.

    I expect this will be quite enough for hunting.
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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Cornmastah on Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:15 pm

    It seems like 300 blk is one of the preferred hunting round for hogs.
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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Devereaux on Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:00 pm

    So. ?Any of you done business with Damage Industries.

    They sell AR parts. Not all, but some. Can't remember how I found them, but I bought some stuff from them. One was a rear plate with double hinge slots. I ended up not using it, but it wasn't a lot of money.

    They have sales from time to time. Recently they had a sale on front grips. Nothing fancy, just a front AR grip. It isn't terribly long (something I like) so it doesn't get in your way. It attached with a simple screw grip. It has a cap on the bottom (appears water proof) that opens to the inside so you have a compartment to put "stuff" in - were you so inclined. It is, all in all, rather neat. I bought 2 because I think they had a sale for something stupid like $15 each.

    You guys might find Damage Industries interesting to peruse.
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    Post by Cornmastah on Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:57 pm

    I have never done business with them before, but it is good to know that you had a good experience.
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    Post by Devereaux on Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:01 pm

    Cornmastah wrote:I have never done business with them before, but it is good to know that you had a good experience.

    I think having as many sources as possible is a good thing. We had lists back on GRRN of vendors for various things. I think I started a couple of those here, but I don't think we have a listing of AR vendors.
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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Cornmastah on Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:31 pm

    Yeah, don't ever buy any HeadDown stuff (if they are still in business). I got ripped off by them--ordered a Gundudes AR lower back in the day for around $225ish and then they ran away with my money.
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    Post by Devereaux on Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:40 pm

    Ouch! That hurt. ?Were they a scam, or went bankrupt, or what.
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    Post by Cornmastah on Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:51 pm

    I think maybe the bankruptcy route... I saw a few AR parts at a local shop with their brand on it, so it looks like they came back at least for a little while. Their website still exists, but I won't post it and generate traffic to them.
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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Devereaux on Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:10 pm

    ?Have you talked to them at all lately. If they came back, perhaps they have the record and can still fill the order. They DID after all charge you.
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    Post by Cornmastah on Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:45 pm

    It was a few years ago or whenever the Gundudes had that preorder for a gundudes lower going on. I tried back then to get a refund or something equivalent but got no responses--I've since chalked it up as a loss and am a little wiser with whom I do business now.
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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Devereaux on Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:27 pm

    Upper question. CDNN is having yet another sale. This time it's AR uppers. I note they have what they call a "custom upper" with a stainless 24" barrel, crowned (no threads), free floated, etc. Low block gas block. Comes with everything but the bolt and charging handle. I have those.

    My question is: the barrel is 1:8 twist. I am given to understand that to shoot stable heavier bullets you need really a 1:7 twist. But I don't know if this is good enough. It is relatively cheap - $369 - and you would be paying just that for a quality match barrel. But no point in buying it if the proper twist for such a rifle ought to be 1:7. I think.

    ?What say you guys.
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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Charlie Foxtrot on Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:16 am

    I'm building a Designated Marksman Rifle (DMR) clone, to shoot the commonly paired M262 77gr 5.56 type round. A 1:7 twist is the accepted standard for the heavier bullets. However, a 20" 1:7 heavy barrel is somewhat hard to find. 1:8 is thought to work well with the M855 green tip 62 grainers. I'm going to wait for the 1:7.

    Guess it depends our your expected use.


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    Post by MrJim on Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:14 pm

    I've owned two ARs in the past 30 years...first was a Colt CAR-15 back in 1986...yeah it eventually got sold~~the other was a post-ban Bushmaster..very accurate beast~~also sold...haven't been feeling a hankering for one until recently when they've become so...common...I'd never try to build one but a friend at work really loves his "entry-level" S&W...and with the prices coming down maybe I ought to snatch one up and stick in the closet...I did qualify Expert on the USMC range with a nice new M16A2 courtesy of President Reagan back in '85.... Very Happy

    Great rifles....sure hate cleaning them though...still....an old jarhead ought to have one in his collection amiright?
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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Cornmastah on Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:45 pm

    My 1/7 twist barrel shoots the 55 gr bullets just fine.  I can also shoot the heavier 77 gr bullets through it as well.  I haven't tried the 80 or 82 gr bullets in the AR yet, only in my bolt gun.  I would probably stick with a 1/7 twist if it were up to me, but maybe your rifle purposes are entirely different from mine.
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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Devereaux on Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:17 pm

    In truth I have no "purpose" for an AR. I have 2 fighting ones in 5.56, carbine length. I have a couple lowers unbuilt. I have at least one upper, a VLTOR. I have a low profile gas block, and a number of carbine-length gas tubes. I have a pin kit, with replacement pins for an AR. I have no GOOD triggers. I have no stocks or tubes or whathaveyou. I have a couple replacement carbine length springs and buffers.

    Now. ONE consideration is to build a seriously accurate AR. A 20-24" barrel would be great. But if I were buying, I would buy 1:7 - it's what I have on the other AR's (can't remember what is in the .300 BLK, but it's a Wilson barrel, so I expect it's good). It's just that this jumped out at me, with a rather ridiculourlsy good price.

    I suppose one can always say you get what you pay for. But with prices falling so much of late, I would expect some things may actually be worth it as less of a price point. Don't know - it's why I asked.

    Jim, I qual'd with an M14 in '68. OUR AR's were garbage. Much has changed, though.
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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Cornmastah on Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:10 pm

    With all the low prices lately, I have picked up a few things I've wanted for a while but didn't want to spend the money on (ie: extra lowers, 458 socom, 50 beowulf, etc...)
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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Charlie Foxtrot on Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:26 pm

    MrJim wrote:

    Great rifles....sure hate cleaning them though...still....an old jarhead ought to have one in his collection amiright?

    Damn, straight. Michael Bane believes that every red-blooded 'Murican should own an AR-15 in 5.56, 10 standard capacity magazines, and 1,000 rounds. As a former Marine, you're probably beholden to own at least twice that - going through ammo like you guys do... Wink

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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Devereaux on Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:40 pm

    Heck, standard load for my platoon in the jungle was 6 bandoleers of mags (each held 7 mags) for a total of 840 rounds. Plus one in the rifle - and a lot of guys had piggy back in the rifle. That's darn near 900 rounds walking around with.

    So I would say 1,000 ain't near enough.
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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Cornmastah on Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:26 pm

    1000 rounds minimum. The more the better!
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    Post by MrJim on Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:00 pm

    Charlie Foxtrot wrote:
    MrJim wrote:

    Great rifles....sure hate cleaning them though...still....an old jarhead ought to have one in his collection amiright?

    Damn, straight. Michael Bane believes that every red-blooded 'Murican should own an AR-15 in 5.56, 10 standard capacity magazines, and 1,000 rounds. As a former Marine, you're probably beholden to own at least twice that - going through ammo like you guys do...  Wink


    I don't even know what a "Michael Bane" is...headed to google Razz
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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Devereaux on Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:41 pm

    MrJim wrote:
    Charlie Foxtrot wrote:
    MrJim wrote:

    Great rifles....sure hate cleaning them though...still....an old jarhead ought to have one in his collection amiright?

    Damn, straight. Michael Bane believes that every red-blooded 'Murican should own an AR-15 in 5.56, 10 standard capacity magazines, and 1,000 rounds. As a former Marine, you're probably beholden to own at least twice that - going through ammo like you guys do...  Wink


    I don't even know what a "Michael Bane" is...headed to google Razz

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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Charlie Foxtrot on Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:00 pm

    Devereaux wrote:
    MrJim wrote:
    Charlie Foxtrot wrote:
    MrJim wrote:

    Great rifles....sure hate cleaning them though...still....an old jarhead ought to have one in his collection amiright?

    Damn, straight. Michael Bane believes that every red-blooded 'Murican should own an AR-15 in 5.56, 10 standard capacity magazines, and 1,000 rounds. As a former Marine, you're probably beholden to own at least twice that - going through ammo like you guys do...  Wink


    I don't even know what a "Michael Bane" is...headed to google Razz

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    http://www.dovetailstudio.com/michaelbane/ He's also does one of the best podcasts: Down Range Radio. Self defense philosopher, commentator, raconteur, gun related video/ show producer, author, Cowboy Shooter...
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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Charlie Foxtrot on Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:07 pm

    Cornmastah wrote:1000 rounds minimum.  The more the better!

    Stuff doesn't go bad. Buy it cheap and pile it deep. Just don't move too often. <groan>
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    Re: Building an AR Puppy

    Post by Cornmastah on Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:54 pm

    I try to keep at least 1000 rounds minimum of loaded ammo plus the components to load up more.

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