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    Sig Sights

    Post by Devereaux on Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:14 am

    Otis! Tell what I need to know!

    I got that 228 kit you mentioned. Cost me all of $170, with shipping and an overcharge for using a credit card. It is here.

    Slide says "Made in Germany". ?Were all the 228's made in Germany.

    It also has tritium sights. They seem worn out, though. I would love to replace them with stuff that you noted on the 229 thread. BUT neither of the sights has any ebossed numbers on it. The front is completely devoid of anything. The rear has white stuff on the right side. Kind of looks like some symbol, the H3, then something else undecipherable.

    ?Any clues on what I need to replace these with.

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    Re: Sig Sights

    Post by Otis2 on Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:55 am

    Where the P228's are made becomes a bit of semantics.  The true P228's were all made in Germany.  One of the products in the current SIG catalog, the M11-A1, is called a P228, but that can be debated.  All SIG production is in the process of moving to the US, so German made products will be no more.

    The lamps in the tritium sights can be replaced.  I would contact Dawson Precision or Trijicon directly.  I believe either will do provide the service, Dawson will ship to Trijicon for the replacement, however.  

    The H3 you note is the chemical notation for tritium, an isotope with 3 atoms of hydrogen.  If it were my slide, I would simply replace with a set of #8 von Stavenhagen sights, front and rear.  Finding these can be a challenge, here is a link to each at Top Gun Supply.  You could place a notify me when in stock with TGS, they are my preferred source for all things SIG.  

    http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-contrast-rear-sight-7.html

    http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-white-dot-front-sight-8.html

    They are not showing a #8 rear sight, but Numrich has one in stock, along with the #7 front sight, but pricey.

    https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/467270B.htm

    https://www.gunpartscorp.com/ad/1288820.htm

    You can look at their displays to get an idea of what the von Stavenhagen sights look like, they may show up on ebay from time to time.

    If you want night sights, Mepro, Trijicon and Ameriglo make #8 front and rear sights for the SIG's.  

    I own a SIG sight pusher and will be more than willing to install the sights for you.  Let me know if interested, we can make those arrangements.  I would install the sights, then put onto one of my frames and take to the range and sight them in.


    Clean the kit up.  I would take it completely apart, removing the breech block and replacing the roll pins and springs.  You can download an armorers manual here, will be very helpful in the steps to take and recommended tools.  Clean it up good, keep the firing pin channel clean and free of any lube or CLP.

    http://stevespages.com/pdf/sig_p228_combat_pistol_armorer%27s_manual.pdf

    Top Gun Supply sells the roll pins you will need.

    http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-inner-pin-h.d.-all-carbon-slides.html

    http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-outer-pin-h.d.-all-carbon-slides.html

    Along with a parts kit that provides the other springs you will need.

    http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-p228-9mm-parts-kit.html

    Plus a firing pin spring.

    http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-firing-pin-spring-all-p-series.html

    Heck, while you are at it, might as well pick up a firing pin.  This may become hard to find in the near future.

    http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-firing-pin-p225/226/228-carbon.html


    When installing the P228 slide to your P229 frame, remember to remove the locking insert from the frame and install the locking insert that came with your P228 slide. The P228 slide may fit onto the frame with the P229 locking insert and cycle, but since they are different dimensionally, I would expect some undesired results.


    This should get you started.  I need to get out and do my duty and vote.  I'll check in later to see if you have further questions.
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    Re: Sig Sights

    Post by Devereaux on Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:04 pm

    Thanks for all the info, Otis.

    I have a Sig sight tool also, but I appreciate the offer. I have used it a number of times to (mostly) turn rear sights around. I also have the Sig armor's DVD's - Christmas gift from my daughter. They are nice. Also nice to know there is a web place to find the same info.

    My 9mm 226 has #7 rear and #6 front. ?Think that combo might work on the 228. I think that might be easier to find.

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    Re: Sig Sights

    Post by Otis2 on Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:03 pm

    Devereaux wrote:My 9mm 226 has #7 rear and #6 front. ?Think that combo might work on the 228. I think that might be easier to find.

    For 9mm and 357 SIG, SIG has traditionally used #8 sights front and rear. SIG has test fired each of their handguns (I can't say for sure they still do or not) prior to shipping to confirm accuracy. If a discrepancy was observed during the test firing phase of production, the firearm was sent back for adjustment to the department that handled such matters. Since you already have a SIG sight installation tool, one possibility is to remove the sights from a SIG and install on the P228 to determine how they perform.

    If you take a look at the instructions for the sight pusher, page 4 explains well how the sight numbers work, both front and rear, and how much change you should expect in POI with each change in sight number.

    http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/CmsContent/documents/OwnerManual/UniversalSightPusher.pdf

    These measurements are all based on 25 yard distances, I would shoot from a rest rather than off hand in trying to adjust the elevation of the sights.

    Hope this helps. Yes, the sights you mention might work in your instance, it is impossible to say for sure from the keyboard of my computer.
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    Re: Sig Sights

    Post by Devereaux on Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:49 am

    Went to Numrich. They want almost $50 each for the #8's. BUT they only wanted $3.15 each (or something like that) for #7's. So I ordered one each front and rear - for that kind of price how can you go wrong. Even if they turn out not quite right, they may give me a starting point - for lots less that $100.

    Meanwhile I ordered the double roll pins, firing pins and a firing pin from Top Gun Supply. So I am out <$100 for enough stuff to rebuild the gun.

    I really don't need the parts kit. I rebuild the 229 lower recently enough and all those things were replaced then, so they don't need replacement now.

    I leave for work tomorrow morning so won't be able to get to this stuff for a while, what with work and hunting. Maybe during the Thanksgiving break.

    Thanks for all the help and leads. I truly appreciate them. Can't wait to fix/clean this thing and shoot it.
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    Re: Sig Sights

    Post by Devereaux on Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:12 pm

    Otis! Help!

    I cleaned up the 228 slide but it won't go on my 229. It fits the rail properly, but will only go slightly out of battery before running into "something" inside. I have not attempted to force anything, but I've checked the underneath of the slide, and everything seems to move properly, including the pin safety bar. But it's different from my 229 underneath. The 228 has a bar for pin safety while the 229 has a semicircular piece. I have a SRT in the 229 frame, which showed no issues with the slide when I installed it. It also has the new-style hammer spur and spring, and the new trigger bar spring. And E2 grips.

    ?Suggestions.
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    Re: Sig Sights

    Post by Devereaux on Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:15 pm

    Solved it!

    Trigger block!

    Put the 228 trigger block in and it seems to work like a charm. Haven't fired it, but don't expect any issues.

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