Winchester 296 / Hogdon H110

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    Winchester 296 / Hogdon H110

    Post by Tennessee Jed on Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:48 pm

    Does anyone have any experience with W296 or H110?

    Specifically, I want to develop a handload that will get a 357 magnum 158 grain JHP travelling at 1700 fps or more out of a rifle.

    Seems to me, based on what I've read, that if one is looking for high velocity in a handgun caliber out of a rifle, it might be time to stop messing with AA9 and 2400, and move on to these slower powders.
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    Re: Winchester 296 / Hogdon H110

    Post by Cornmastah on Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:58 pm

    I have not used it specifically for .357 mag, but have used it for my heavy hitting jacketed loads for 44 mag, 500 mag, 300 blk, 30 carb, and a few others. You will probably want to use magnum primers to get a complete burn.
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    Re: Winchester 296 / Hogdon H110

    Post by Devereaux on Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:26 pm

    Corn - ?why the reference to magnum primers. ?Just what do you get when using a magnum primer vs a standard one.

    I have heard a number of versions. One claims there is little difference; others claim there is an important on. BUT if that's true, then why would you ever NOT use them.
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    Re: Winchester 296 / Hogdon H110

    Post by Cornmastah on Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:37 am

    A couple of things that I have learned/experienced:

    1. Some ball powders used in heavy loads, especially win296/h110, require the extra ooomph from a magnum primer to get a more complete powder burn

    2. Some loads are not affected much by a magnum primer (for example: a mid range load of Unique or similar powder in .357)

    3. Some loads are affected negatively by a magnum primer (for example: a 9mm, a small case, with a near max load of a fast burning powder). I once accidentally used magnum primers in a batch of 9mm loads using Titegroup--the primers were flattened on all of the cases
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    Re: Winchester 296 / Hogdon H110

    Post by Tennessee Jed on Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:42 am

    I had an eye opening experience once with a 38 special handload, Bullseye powder and an accidental magnum primer. That won't happen again.

    I just follow whatever the manufacturer says about magnum primers. I've noticed that most powder manufacturers call for magnum primers with slow burning powders in magnum calibers.
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    Re: Winchester 296 / Hogdon H110

    Post by Devereaux on Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:12 pm

    I use a mag primer in my Super loads because that's how it was presented to me. I have put maybe 1-2K through the 2 guns with no issues. I use Win 7-something (I don't think Winchester is making it anymore. You are suppose to replace it with 231.). Problem is, I have no idea whether this is a slow burning powder or not.
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    Re: Winchester 296 / Hogdon H110

    Post by Cornmastah on Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:14 am

    I bought 5k magnum pistol primers because they were on sale. I can use them with my .357/.38 Unique loads and just tone them down by .2 gr or so and they work just fine. You just never want to use it with a near max load (worked up with normal primers) in a small case and fast burning powder.
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    Re: Winchester 296 / Hogdon H110

    Post by Tennessee Jed on Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:12 pm

    For what it's worth, I gave AA9 one last shot (all puns intended). I loaded up some max loads with magnum primers (all within published specifications, but no room for anything higher), and had awesome success.

    My Rossi 92 fired the 158 jhp's out at an ave. of 1711 fps, and were as accurate as anything else I've shot.

    I have 1 1/2 pounds left of AA9 and I'm hoping to find more soon. If I run out, then I'll go to H110/296 and see how that works out. Thanks for all your help.

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