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    Stunned By the Charleston Shooting

    Post by Tennessee Jed on Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:48 pm

    I am absolutely stunned by this Charleston shooting at the AME church.

    I watched a number of interviews last night with members of the church. They were some of the kindest, soft-hearted, forgiving, loving people you will ever hear speak. I'm confident the 9 members gunned down in that bible study were at least that way, probably even more so. That's what makes this shooting all the more sad, stunning, and despicable.

    Makes me think of how this must have happened. This psycho walked into that bible study, and was reportedly welcomed with open arms. A person who survived the shooting said their head pastor went out of his way to make the freak feel welcomed and loved. So psycho sat there for an hour . . . an hour . . . listening to these people, being loved by these people, and then decided to shoot them all down solely due to the color of their skin.

    This wasn't someone shooting down total strangers. He was there and heard and saw for himself that these were people were kind and caring, the kind of people you'd want to be your neighbors and friends. They say that after the first few people were shot, one of the men there tried to calmly talk psycho into stopping. And then psycho shot him.

    There is no reasonable conclusion for me other than this is a glimpse into the face of complete evil. It's real, it exists, it walks the earth, and a couple of nights ago it showed up at a bible study to hurt people who by all accounts weren't just innocent, they were downright good.

    And now, here we go. The government/regime says it has a solution to the problem. What we need to do is make sure that all the sheep are truly defenseless for the next time a coyote comes prowling. What a fabulous idea. It's no coincidence that this guy chose a gun-free zone to commit his atrocity. Why is it so hard to understand why these things happen at schools, malls, movie theaters and churches, instead of NRA conventions, CCW classes and police stations?

    All I can do is shake my head. Evil is out there, and the government cannot make it go away. And I am grateful that the State of Tennessee does not prohibit concealed carry in church services.
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    Re: Stunned By the Charleston Shooting

    Post by Devereaux on Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:49 pm

    I view this as mental derangement. I cannot believe anyone in his right mind would do this.

    This is not to say that he shouldn't be punished. He had presence of mind to escape - and to go a long way. And somewhere I heard that he made the comment these people were so nice it almost made him not want to shoot them. ?Is that not some crazy statement.

    Perhaps you're right, this is evil. Perhaps it's just craziness. But it certainly would have been nice to see maybe 2 CCW's there in the church - just to kind of make things "interesting".

    Meanwhile, Obamanation has the gall to say we are going to have to address this lawlessness. It is he and all his democrats that have caused this to come to pass. ?Any of you old enough to remember playing as kids. We played Cowboys and Indians, GI's vs Germans, we rode our bikes all over creation without a helmet, we rode on the handlebars of another's bike, we were gone roaming from morning to dusk. No one knew just where we were. And no one was particularly concerned.

    We have created a culture of wimps, of narcissistic complainers. It's little wonder there is such nastiness afoot - ain't no one much to stop it. And if you do, you get sued.
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    Re: Stunned By the Charleston Shooting

    Post by Tennessee Jed on Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:45 pm

    Couldn't agree more. Continued examples us the pussification of this country are the solutions being proposed by the govt and media. They wring their hands together while asking what will it take to prevent people from being bad, and ensuring no one can hurt each other.

    Meanwhile, in the 1930's, when gangsters terrorized and shot up entire towns in the Midwest with Thompson and BARs during bank robberies (which, by the way, adds an interesting perspective to the relative danger of a lone punk with one Glock), this country's answer was the 38 Super, the 357 magnum, and J. Edgar's butt-kicking ways.

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    Re: Stunned By the Charleston Shooting

    Post by Devereaux on Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:27 pm

    And yet, we got NFA 1937 from those days. Guess the stupidity of the NE started a long time ago. ?Did you know that Massholes required a permit to own a gun back in the early 1900's. And Mass was hardly a nexus of gangster activity. ('Course out westward, where all the gangsters were, the cops were all corrupt. Not sayin' the Mass cops weren't - it was just better known in places like Chicago, Philly, NYC.)
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    Re: Stunned By the Charleston Shooting

    Post by MrJim on Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:43 pm

    I smell a patsy~~~yeah I'll be that weird conspiracy guy Twisted Evil Cool
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    Re: Stunned By the Charleston Shooting

    Post by Devereaux on Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:12 am

    MrJim wrote:I smell a patsy~~~yeah I'll be that weird conspiracy guy Twisted Evil Cool

    OK. Try us. ?What's your conspiracy theory here.
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    Re: Stunned By the Charleston Shooting

    Post by MrJim on Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:06 am

    Devereaux wrote:
    MrJim wrote:I smell a patsy~~~yeah I'll be that weird conspiracy guy Twisted Evil Cool

    OK. Try us. ?What's your conspiracy theory here.

    Troubled kid coaxed and coached by some character in the background to create an incident to fuel ongoing racial tensions ~ probably not so much because of any real racial issues on the part of the "character" but for other reasons--distraction or increased regulation/control or furthering an agenda...I suspect they are disappointed with the kid's performance...
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    Re: Stunned By the Charleston Shooting

    Post by Devereaux on Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:11 pm

    I would tend to doubt this concept. Not, mind you, that I would rule it out totally - there are too many weird things in this world to exclude such. But overall, this doesn't seem to fit the narrative.

    Note that the Shaprtons are not getting any traction. Note that the black community in Charleston is not only gathering together but forgiving the a55hole for the dispicable act he did. Note that not many seem to be picking up on this whole "white supremacy" thing. It was never a mainstream ideology, and it hasn't gotten any better looking over the years.

    I will grant there are differences between black and white. Some of the is on the white (but less and less), some on the blacks, and MOST on the democrat party, which has steadily and consistently tried to pander to racism. You can call it what you will, from pandering to blacks, to trying to evoke white guilt, to outright lying, to the subtle discrimination of low expectations - it's ALL Democrats.

    If you guys want, I can post a fascinating editorial from the Baltimore Sun. I don't particularly agree with all of it, but there are many fascinatingly accurate statements in it. That it should come from a MSM source like the Baltimore Sun is all the more amazing.
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    Re: Stunned By the Charleston Shooting

    Post by Charlie Foxtrot on Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:50 pm


    It's very possible that any one of the 11 adults there could have put a stop to that madness if they had the tools. It infuriates me that 'Boma and Hillary want us as defenseless as those innocents.  

    So - I'm carrying my .40 when I can, where I can. And I'm going to fight like hell to make sure I'm never disarmed in the face of the evil around us.

    TJ and Dev: well stated. Dev, please post the editorial from the BaltoSun. They haven't been exactly distinguishing themselves with their riot coverage. MrJim, unfortunately, I doubt if that bastard needed anything but his own sick fantasies.
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    Re: Stunned By the Charleston Shooting

    Post by Devereaux on Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:16 pm

    This be it. Sorry for the messy format but my iPad is acting up.

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    The Black Dilemma from the Baltimore Sun

    “For almost 150 years the United States has been conducting an interesting experiment. The subjects of the experiment: black people and working-class whites.

    The hypothesis to be tested: Can a people taken from the jungles of Africa and forced into slavery be fully integrated as citizens in a majority white population?
    The whites were descendants of Europeans who had created a majestic civilization. The former slaves had been tribal peoples with no written language and virtually no intellectual achievements. Acting on a policy that was not fair to either group, the government released newly freed black people into a white society that saw them as inferiors. America has struggled with racial discord ever since. Decade after decade the problems persisted but the experimenters never gave up. They insisted that if they could find the right formula the experiment would work, and concocted program after program to get the result they wanted. They created the Freedmans Bureau, passed civil rights laws, tried to build the Great Society, declared War on Poverty, ordered race preferences, built housing projects, and tried midnight basketball.
    Their new laws intruded into peoples lives in ways that would have been otherwise unthinkable. They called in National Guard troops to enforce school integration. They outlawed freedom of association. Over the protests of parents, they put white children on buses and sent them to black schools and vice versa. They tried with money, special programs, relaxed standards, and endless hand wringing to close the achievement gap. To keep white backlash in check they began punishing public and even private statements on race. They hung up Orwellian public banners that commanded whites to Celebrate Diversity! and Say No to Racism. Nothing was off limits if it might salvage the experiment.

    Some thought that what W.E.B. DuBois called the Talented Tenth would lead the way for black people. A group of elite, educated blacks would knock down doors of opportunity and show the world what blacks were capable of. There is a Talented Tenth. They are the black Americans who have becomeentrepreneurs, lawyers, doctors and scientists. But ten percent is not enough. For the experiment to work, the ten percent has to be followed by a critical mass of people who can hold middle-class jobs and promote social stability. That is what is missing. Through the years, too many black people continue to show an inability to function and prosper in a culture unsuited to them. Detroit is bankrupt, the south side of Chicago is a war zone, and the vast majority of black cities all over America are beset by degeneracy and violence. And blacks never take responsibility for their failures. Instead, they lash out in anger and resentment. Across the generations and across the country, as we have seen in Detroit, Watts, Newark, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, and now Ferguson, rioting and looting are just one racial incident away. The white elite would tell us that this doesn’t mean the experiment has failed. We just have to try harder. We need more money, more time, more understanding, more programs, and more opportunities. But nothing changes no matter how much money is spent, no matter how many laws are passed, no matter how many black geniuses are portrayed on TV, and no matter who is president. Some argue its a problem of culture, as if culture creates people’s behavior instead of the other way around. Others blame white privilege. But since 1965, when the elites opened Americas doors to the Third World, immigrants from Asia and India, people who are not white, not rich, and not connected have quietly succeeded.While the children of these people are winning spelling bees and getting top scores on the SAT, black youths are committing half the country’s violent crime, which includes viciously punching random white people on the street for the thrill of it that has nothing to do with poverty.
    The experiment has failed. Not because of white culture, or white privilege, or white racism. The fundamental problem is that American black culture has evolved into an unfixable and crime ridden mess. They do not want to change their culture or society, and expect others to tolerate their violence and amoral behavior. They have become socially incompatible with other races by their own design, not because of the racism of others - but by their own hatred of non-blacks.
    Our rulers don't seem to understand just how tired their white subjects are with this experiment. They don’t understand that white people aren’t out to get black people; they are just exhausted with them. They are exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence, the endless complaints, and the blind racial solidarity, the bottomless pit of grievances, theexcuses, and the reflexive animosity. The elites explain everything with racism, and refuse to believe that white frustration could soon reach the boiling point."---

    "You can't legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government can't give to anybody anything that the government doesn't first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they don't have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

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    The Baltimore Sun: The Black Dilemma Part 2
    Jun 03rd, 2015, 2:24pm But nothing changes no matter how much money is spent, no matter how many laws are passed, no matter how many black geniuses are portrayed on TV, and no matter who is president. Some argue it’s a problem of culture, as if culture creates people’s behavior instead of the other way around. Others blame white privilege. But since 1965, when the elites opened Americas doors to the Third World, immigrants from Asia and India, people who are not white, not rich, and not connected, have quietly succeeded. While the children of these people are winning spelling bees and getting top scores on the SAT, black youths are committing half the country’s violent crime, which includes viciously punching random white people on the street for the thrill of it that has nothing to do with poverty.
    The experiment has failed. Not because of white culture, or white privilege, or white racism. The fundamental problem is that American black culture has evolved into an unfixable and crime ridden mess. They do not want to change their culture or society, and expect others to tolerate their violence and amoral behavior. They have become socially incompatible with other races by their own design, not because of the racism of others - but by their own hatred of non-blacks. Our rulers don’t seem to understand just how tired their white subjects are with this experiment. They don’t understand that white people aren’t out to get black people; they are just exhausted with them. They are exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence, the endless complaints, and the blind racial solidarity, the bottomless pit of grievances, the excuses, and the reflexive animosity. The elites explain everything with racism, and refuse to believe that white frustration could soon reach the boiling point."---

    "You can't legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government can't give to anybody anything that the government doesn't first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they don't have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

    Baltimore Sun





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    Re: Stunned By the Charleston Shooting

    Post by MrJim on Mon Jun 22, 2015 6:19 pm

    Thanks for that sir!
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    Re: Stunned By the Charleston Shooting

    Post by Cornmastah on Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:07 pm

    Charlie Foxtrot wrote:  
    So - I'm carrying my .40 when I can, where I can. And I'm going to fight like hell to make sure I'm never disarmed in the face of the evil around us.

    Amen!
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    Re: Stunned By the Charleston Shooting

    Post by Devereaux on Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:31 am

    Cornmastah wrote:
    Charlie Foxtrot wrote:  
    So - I'm carrying my .40 when I can, where I can. And I'm going to fight like hell to make sure I'm never disarmed in the face of the evil around us.

    Amen!

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    Re: Stunned By the Charleston Shooting

    Post by Devereaux on Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:05 am

    I must say, this whole thing has been an amazing display of faith.

    IF you have faith, then it is obvious this world is not an end. So these poor people actually died in a wonderful way, studying and praying to the Lord. Not a better way to go to the Lord for a Christian.

    But the response of the family AND group showed a degree of compassion I have not seen in the black community in a long time. It reminds me of the Amish response to that guy killing a number of their children. Forgiveness. I am impressed. As one of them said, "Sometimes the Lord allows something bad to happen in order for something He wants to happen."

    I have faith but somehow I don't know that I could muster up that much forgiveness, much as I should.

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