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    Round balls!

    Post by Cornmastah on Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:34 pm

    Got an idea in my head and can't get it out--so I'm probably going to just do it. I want to load some round balls in both 300 blk as well as 30-30. I am thinking I can probably do 2 in the neck of the 30-30 and 1 in the 300 blk. I know they used to have load data in old loading manuals for "multiball" loads, but they don't have it in any modern manuals that I know of. I think I'm going to see if I can dig up the old load data for the 30-30, and find what I can on the interwebs for 300 blk. I'm thinking that 300 blk shouldn't be too difficult with a small load of Red-Dot, Unique, or Bullseye, or similar fast burning pistol powder. This might make a really cool little squirrel load or something similar. In a single shot 300 blk with a suppressor, I'm thinking "mouse fart" load. Anybody done this before?
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    Post by Devereaux on Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:38 am

    I would think they don't seal well, and they won't spin well, so accuracy will be ick.
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    Post by Cornmastah on Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:52 am

    I would think that as long as the diameter of the ball is large enough, you can get them to seal good enough.  Accuracy wise, I have "heard" that single balls are decently accurate as long as you don't push them too fast--double and triple ball loads lose accuracy fast after about 25 yards...

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    Post by Devereaux on Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:41 am

    Interesting link.

    I get the sense this whole round ball things is, well, just because one can (mebbe). Note the Civil War saw the introduction of the miniball as a significant improvement to the old round ball. ?Why do you think going back to RB would be good - other than your ability to do it.

    Not trying to rain on you "fun quotient" parade. I would personally spend more time with other load development. But I'm an old and lazy guy.
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    Post by Cornmastah on Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:14 am

    You would be correct in the "because one can" reason. I guess it would make more sense for someone who doesn't cast bullets to use round balls as a cheap plinker. I just read about it and thought it would be cool to mess around with.
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    Post by Tennessee Jed on Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:26 pm

    What the heck? Why not? There's something so backwards about taking a super modern caliber like the 300 Blk and making it shoot roundballs, it makes weird sense.

    I know a guy at my range who casts lightweight bullets for a 30-30 and loads them with Unique for a squirrel load . . . just for the heck of it. He seems to have a lot of fun with that, I'm sure shooting round balls from a 300 Blk is just as fun.


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    Post by sthwestvictoria on Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:15 am

    This is an interesting read on some experimentation with round balls in the 30-30. From the excellent Junior Doughty (vale) site "frugal outdoorsman"
    http://www.castbullet.com/shooting/rb30.htm

    I just use the little Lee TL-314-90-SWC over 7.0grains Trail Boss.

    There is also this long thread on marlinowners:
    http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/reloading/31201-lighter-bullets-30-30-a-23.html

    There is a summary pdf at reply #230
    http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/attachments/reloading/3503d1320865438-lighter-bullets-30-30-30-30-light-cast-pt-1.pdf
    or try this:
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    Post by Cornmastah on Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:20 am

    I think I am going to put this project on hold for now, and going to work on a few different loading projects first.
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    Post by Cornmastah on Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:46 pm

    I loaded up some 30 cal round balls for the 300 blk.  I still need to chrono them, but they are super super quiet when shot through a suppressor.  Looks like it would be a perfect squirrel load--but need to do some accuracy tests to see what distance they are good to.

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    Post by Devereaux on Thu Feb 25, 2016 4:26 pm

    Very nice, Corn. ?How hard to get seated in the case. ?Tendency to fall out. ?Recoil effect or not enough powder to produce much recoil.
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    Post by Cornmastah on Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:26 pm

    Dev, I shoot them in a single shot pistol and a single shot rifle.  Not enough power/powder to cycle a semi for sure.  For seating, I have to flare the case mouth prior to seating it--ideally, I should use a fired, unsized case and thumb seat them, but I have too many guns in 300 blk to keep it separated by gun.  Then I give it a little kiss of a crimp to iron out the flare.  They don't fall out.  Recoil wise, it is about like a bb gun or a toy cap gun.
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    Post by Devereaux on Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:58 pm

    ?Do you have only one powder for 300BLK or do you use different ones depending on speed and bullet weight.
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    Post by Cornmastah on Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:19 pm

    I use various:

    bullseye: round balls
    unique: various bullet weights, bolt action or single shot only (usually for quiet subsonic)
    trailboss: various bullet weights (usually lighter the better for trailboss in this cartridge), bolt action or single shot only (one of my quietest loads is with TB)
    4227: various bullet weights, will cycle action of AR
    h110: Supersonic loads with 160 gr and lower, will cycle action of AR (some people use this for subs, but 1680 and 4227 have worked better for me)
    lilgun: Supersonic loads with 160 gr and lower, will cycle action of AR
    A1680: heavy bullet subs & some heavy supers, will cycle action of AR

    I know some people might use the listed powders for multiple purposes, but as listed above is how I primarily use them.
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    Post by Devereaux on Thu Feb 25, 2016 7:57 pm

    I count seven different powders, just for .300BLK. ?How many different powders do you have. I generally try to keep things a simple, so few, as possible. It also allows me to buy 8# containers and not need a separate shed to store all of them.
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    Post by Cornmastah on Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:22 pm

    Different powders for different calibers and loads...  I used to try to consolidate my powders, but when powders became scarce, I experimented with several and found that I really like how certain ones work for specific purposes.  So now I have several loads developed for several calibers and powders.  People at the gunshop call me a caliber collector--I load and shoot many many calibers. 2 gr bullseye is all I'm using for the round balls.

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